## [# Ackman, Gross Signal Bottom for Treasuries as TLT Surges ](/sections/features/ackman-gross-signal-bottom-treasuries-tlt-surges)
# Ackman, Gross Signal Bottom for Treasuries as TLT Surges
Bill Ackman covers his Treasury short position and Bill Gross predicts recession.
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[By Kent Thune ](/authors/kent-thune)
Oct 24, 2023
Edited by: Mark Nacinovich
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Bill Ackman and Bill Gross both started the last full week of October with comments on the social-media platform X sounding alarms about a slowing economy. Just as the 10-year [Treasury](https://www.etf.com/topics/treasury) rate briefly passed the psychological 5.0% yield level, comments from the investing heavyweights appeared to have triggered a price surge of more than 2.0% for the popular long-term Treasury ETF, the [**iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF (TLT)**](https://www.etf.com/TLT).
Further signaling the potential for a slowing economy ahead, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York released a [report](https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomics/hhdc.html) revealing that credit card debt and auto loan delinquencies are at pre-pandemic highs.
## Bill Ackman Covers Treasury Bond Short Position
Hedge fund billionaire and founder of Pershing Square Capital Management, Bill Ackman announced on Monday that he has covered his Treasury bond short position. "There is too much risk in the world to remain short bonds at current long-term rates," Ackman [wrote](https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1716450746814570860?s=20) on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Ackman's [bet against 30-year U.S. Treasury bonds](https://www.etf.com/sections/features/bill-ackman-vs-etf-investors) paid off as long-term [bond](https://www.etf.com/topics/bond) prices dropped sharply since early August when he announced his short positions. To "short" an investment, an investor borrows shares of a security from a broker and then sells those borrowed shares on the open market with the expectation that the security's price will fall.
Ackman’s recent comment indicates that he feels [Treasury yields](https://www.etf.com/sections/etf-basics/guide-10-year-treasury-yield) may be near a peak, which would also indicate that he feels Treasury prices may be near their cyclical low. Bond yields and bond prices have an inverse relationship.
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## Bill Gross Predicts Recession, End of ‘Higher for Longer’
Bill Gross, the “bond king” who co-founded Pacific Investment Management Co., or [Pimco](https://www.etf.com/topics/pimco), and managed Pimco’s Total Return Fund (once the world’s largest bond fund), is calling for a recession in the [U.S.](https://www.etf.com/topics/us) by the end of the year. On the same day that Ackman announced his Treasury short covering, Gross [wrote](https://twitter.com/real_bill_gross/status/1716472972113051665?s=20) on X he believes the spread between the two-year and 10-year Treasury yields will be positive before the end of 2023.
Citing a rise in auto loan delinquencies, Gross further noted, “’higher for longer’ is yesterday’s mantra,” indicating that he believes that rates won’t remain at current levels because a slowing economy will place downward pressure on Treasury yields. His statement is contrary to what many investors believe, which is that inflation will remain sticky, forcing the [Federal Reserve](https://www.etf.com/topics/fed) to keep rates higher for longer than previously expected.
When the 2/10 spread normalizes after being inverted, it has historically [pointed to recession](https://www.etf.com/sections/features/10-2-spread-treasuries-point-recession). Eight of the last eight recessions commenced not long after the yield curve reverted to its normal status, with the 10-year rate above the two-year.
## Bottom for TLT?
Since bond prices move in the opposite direction as rates, this week’s comments from Ackman and Gross, as well as new data suggesting consumer spending may slow soon, have investors wondering if Treasury yields are nearing a high, which would mean prices are near a low. For bold investors willing to take the risk, this news could add to reasoning for buying shares of long-term [Treasury ETFs like TLT](https://www.etf.com/topics/treasury).
Meanwhile, the fed-funds futures market [predicts](https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html) 97% odds of a pause at the Fed’s next rate policy meeting taking place Oct. 31 and Nov. 1. As a prelude, the Personal Consumption Expenditures, or PCE, report, which is the Fed’s preferred inflation gauge, will be closely watched this Friday. Investors will be paying attention for any clues about the direction of rates as a cooler PCE reading would be bullish for TLT prices and a hotter-than-expected print could send prices back down and yields back up.
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